From mneedlem at ufl.edu Sat May 3 07:30:38 2014 From: mneedlem at ufl.edu (Mark Needleman) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 07:30:38 -0400 Subject: [Asis-standards] ISO 5217 vote Message-ID: <6BEED111-4D4D-48C2-899B-840A55B13454@ufl.edu> Folks I just voted YES on ISO DIS 5217 Information and Documentation - Vocabulary with the following comments The standard did not seem to include other types of controlled vocabularies defined in NISO Z39.19 such as pick list (or list) and synonym rings. I also do not see RDF and related new things (they do have XML, which is just a syntax, but no other RDF syntax). Therefore We think the best approach for the standard is to look at W3C Glossaries and incorporate more. Another resource that could be used is Metadata Registry http://metadataregistry?.org/. It included many concepts developed recent years, such as the entities defined by FRBR, FRSAD, etc. The comments were provided by Marcia Zeng - I reworded them a bit. The rationale for voting yes was that this not a direct vote on the draft standard but a vote to help NISO decide on the US vote. There were no NO votes so voting NO most likely would not have caused NISO to cast a NO vote considering all the other NISO members who voted voted YES. If anyone disagrees with that please let me know Mark Sent from Mark Needleman's iPad From mneedlem at ufl.edu Wed May 7 07:32:21 2014 From: mneedlem at ufl.edu (Mark Needleman-UF) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 07:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Asis-standards] 2 more ISO votes Message-ID: <00b701cf69e8$03168390$09438ab0$@ufl.edu> Folks Hearing no objections I just cast the following 2 votes in ISO - if you don't agree we have until tomorrow to change our votes - also since these both are new work items we will have the chance to vote on any documents these groups produce Mark YES on New Work Item Proposal TC46/SC10/N23, Information and documentation - Holdings Management - with the following comment: We agree that there is a need for a new standard in this area YES on New Work Item Proposal TC46/SC10/N24, Information and documentation - Management of the environmental conditions for cultural collections - with the following comment: This has the possibility of producing an important standard in an area where standards are sadly missing From mneedlem at ufl.edu Wed May 7 08:26:30 2014 From: mneedlem at ufl.edu (Mark Needleman-UF) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 08:26:30 -0400 Subject: [Asis-standards] more attachments Message-ID: <00e701cf69ef$939d6620$bad83260$@ufl.edu> Here are the rest of the attachments I referred to in my earlier email Mark -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Summary_changes_Z39-50_2003_version.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 26576 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mneedlem at ufl.edu Wed May 7 10:30:39 2014 From: mneedlem at ufl.edu (Mark Needleman-UF) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 10:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Asis-standards] email Message-ID: <012301cf6a00$eb9af8e0$c2d0eaa0$@ufl.edu> Folks I sent out 2 emails but only saw the 2nd one - did the original note get to you? mark From baden.hughes at gmail.com Wed May 7 21:28:37 2014 From: baden.hughes at gmail.com (Baden Hughes) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 11:28:37 +1000 Subject: [Asis-standards] email In-Reply-To: <012301cf6a00$eb9af8e0$c2d0eaa0$@ufl.edu> References: <012301cf6a00$eb9af8e0$c2d0eaa0$@ufl.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Mark Needleman-UF wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Asis-standards mailing list > Asis-standards at asis.org > http://mail.asis.org/mailman/listinfo/asis-standards > > From baden.hughes at gmail.com Wed May 7 21:28:56 2014 From: baden.hughes at gmail.com (Baden Hughes) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 11:28:56 +1000 Subject: [Asis-standards] email In-Reply-To: <012301cf6a00$eb9af8e0$c2d0eaa0$@ufl.edu> References: <012301cf6a00$eb9af8e0$c2d0eaa0$@ufl.edu> Message-ID: Mark I saw 2 emails yesterday ... Baden On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Mark Needleman-UF wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Asis-standards mailing list > Asis-standards at asis.org > http://mail.asis.org/mailman/listinfo/asis-standards > > From mneedlem at ufl.edu Thu May 8 18:31:32 2014 From: mneedlem at ufl.edu (Mark Needleman) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 18:31:32 -0400 Subject: [Asis-standards] 5127 Message-ID: <2161858A-E9C8-40F7-BADB-35D2F173B50F@ufl.edu> Folks Since we sent in comments on our yes vote on ISO 5127 NISO has requested that all organizations that voted yes with comments change their vote to no so NISO can send in a no vote to ISO which means they would have to respond to those comments which they don't with a yes vote. Thoughts on this? Mark Sent from Mark Needleman's iPhone From mhlava at accessinn.com Fri May 9 17:36:13 2014 From: mhlava at accessinn.com (Margie Hlava) Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 15:36:13 -0600 Subject: [Asis-standards] 5127 In-Reply-To: <2161858A-E9C8-40F7-BADB-35D2F173B50F@ufl.edu> References: <2161858A-E9C8-40F7-BADB-35D2F173B50F@ufl.edu> Message-ID: <201405092136.s49LaJqH010454@external.accessinn.com> From mhlava at accessinn.com Fri May 9 18:52:10 2014 From: mhlava at accessinn.com (Margie Hlava) Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 16:52:10 -0600 Subject: [Asis-standards] 5127 Message-ID: <201405092252.s49MqFfM016858@external.accessinn.com> From baden.hughes at gmail.com Sun May 11 18:53:09 2014 From: baden.hughes at gmail.com (Baden Hughes) Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 08:53:09 +1000 Subject: [Asis-standards] 5127 In-Reply-To: <2161858A-E9C8-40F7-BADB-35D2F173B50F@ufl.edu> References: <2161858A-E9C8-40F7-BADB-35D2F173B50F@ufl.edu> Message-ID: NISO's logic is sensible enough. >From our perspective, if we felt strongly enough about our comments, this would be a way to force ISO to at least consider them. With the weight of NISO behind us, that's not a bad position to end up in, regardless of how likely it would be that we changed our opinion as a result. Baden On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Mark Needleman wrote: > Folks > > Since we sent in comments on our yes vote on ISO 5127 NISO has requested > that all organizations that voted yes with comments change their vote to no > so NISO can send in a no vote to ISO which means they would have to > respond to those comments which they don't with a yes vote. > > Thoughts on this? > > Mark > > Sent from Mark Needleman's iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Asis-standards mailing list > Asis-standards at asis.org > http://mail.asis.org/mailman/listinfo/asis-standards > From thornbug at oclc.org Mon May 12 09:05:55 2014 From: thornbug at oclc.org (Thornburg,Gail) Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 13:05:55 +0000 Subject: [Asis-standards] 5127 In-Reply-To: References: <2161858A-E9C8-40F7-BADB-35D2F173B50F@ufl.edu> Message-ID: <55d83dd9822d443bba571c72d8341289@BLUPR06MB194.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> I have no objection to this -----Original Message----- From: Asis-standards [mailto:asis-standards-bounces at asis.org] On Behalf Of Baden Hughes Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 6:53 PM To: Mark Needleman Cc: ASIST Standards Committee Subject: Re: [Asis-standards] 5127 NISO's logic is sensible enough. >From our perspective, if we felt strongly enough about our comments, this would be a way to force ISO to at least consider them. With the weight of NISO behind us, that's not a bad position to end up in, regardless of how likely it would be that we changed our opinion as a result. Baden On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Mark Needleman wrote: > Folks > > Since we sent in comments on our yes vote on ISO 5127 NISO has > requested that all organizations that voted yes with comments change > their vote to no so NISO can send in a no vote to ISO which means > they would have to respond to those comments which they don't with a yes vote. > > Thoughts on this? > > Mark > > Sent from Mark Needleman's iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Asis-standards mailing list > Asis-standards at asis.org > http://mail.asis.org/mailman/listinfo/asis-standards > From MNeedleman at flvc.org Mon May 12 09:07:26 2014 From: MNeedleman at flvc.org (Mark Needleman) Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 13:07:26 +0000 Subject: [Asis-standards] 5127 In-Reply-To: <55d83dd9822d443bba571c72d8341289@BLUPR06MB194.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> References: <2161858A-E9C8-40F7-BADB-35D2F173B50F@ufl.edu> <55d83dd9822d443bba571c72d8341289@BLUPR06MB194.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the input mark -----Original Message----- From: Asis-standards [mailto:asis-standards-bounces at asis.org] On Behalf Of Thornburg,Gail Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:06 AM To: Baden Hughes; Mark Needleman Cc: ASIST Standards Committee Subject: Re: [Asis-standards] 5127 I have no objection to this -----Original Message----- From: Asis-standards [mailto:asis-standards-bounces at asis.org] On Behalf Of Baden Hughes Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 6:53 PM To: Mark Needleman Cc: ASIST Standards Committee Subject: Re: [Asis-standards] 5127 NISO's logic is sensible enough. >From our perspective, if we felt strongly enough about our comments, this would be a way to force ISO to at least consider them. With the weight of NISO behind us, that's not a bad position to end up in, regardless of how likely it would be that we changed our opinion as a result. Baden On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Mark Needleman wrote: > Folks > > Since we sent in comments on our yes vote on ISO 5127 NISO has > requested that all organizations that voted yes with comments change > their vote to no so NISO can send in a no vote to ISO which means > they would have to respond to those comments which they don't with a yes vote. > > Thoughts on this? > > Mark > > Sent from Mark Needleman's iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Asis-standards mailing list > Asis-standards at asis.org > http://mail.asis.org/mailman/listinfo/asis-standards > _______________________________________________ Asis-standards mailing list Asis-standards at asis.org http://mail.asis.org/mailman/listinfo/asis-standards From MNeedleman at flvc.org Mon May 12 09:26:59 2014 From: MNeedleman at flvc.org (Mark Needleman) Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 13:26:59 +0000 Subject: [Asis-standards] ISO 5127 Message-ID: Folks At the request of NISO and with the concurrence of several members of the committee who responded I just changed our vote on ISO/DIS 5127, Information and documentation -- Vocabulary >From YES to NO mark From mneedlem at ufl.edu Tue May 27 08:58:21 2014 From: mneedlem at ufl.edu (Mark Needleman-UF) Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 08:58:21 -0400 Subject: [Asis-standards] Upcoming votes Message-ID: <014401cf79ab$574c7230$05e55690$@ufl.edu> Folks The following standards need a vote and/or comments by 5/29 My recommendation is to confirm all of them but since I was involved in some way with the 1st 3 I would like to get reactions from others to avoid any bias I may have - of the votes that have been cast so far - I have listed the percentages of what they were although this should not have any effect on how we cast our votes - I believe I sent all the relevant documents out to folks but if not let me know and ill resend them Also there are probably some voter comments on some of these which I can send you if anyone like to see them Mark Systematic Review of ISO 23950:1998, Information and documentation -- Information retrieval (Z39.50) -- Application service definition and protocol specification - 93% confirm 7% revise Systematic Review of ISO 20775:2009, Information and documentation -- Schema for holdings information - 100% confirm Systematic Review of ISO 15836:2009, Information and documentation - The Dublin Core metadata element set - 100% revise Systematic Review of ISO 21047:2009, Information and documentation - International Standard Text Code (ISTC) - 50% confirm 50% revise Systematic Review of ISO 6630:1986 Documentation -- Bibliographic control characters - 100% confirm From mneedlem at ufl.edu Fri May 30 09:15:49 2014 From: mneedlem at ufl.edu (Mark Needleman-UF) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 09:15:49 -0400 Subject: [Asis-standards] NISO votes Message-ID: <00a201cf7c09$46803170$d3809450$@ufl.edu> Folks Based on some comments from Tim Dickey I just cast the following votes: Systematic Review of ISO 21047:2009, Information and documentation - International Standard Text Code (ISTC) - Confirm Systematic Review of ISO 6630:1986 Documentation -- Bibliographic control characters - Confirm Systematic Review of ISO 20775:2009, Information and documentation -- Schema for holdings information - Confirm Systematic Review of ISO 23950:1998, Information and documentation -- Information retrieval (Z39.50) -- Application service definition and protocol specification - Confirm Systematic Review of ISO 15836:2009, Information and documentation - The Dublin Core metadata element set - Revise with Comment: Agree with the comments about Bringing the ISO version of this standard up-to-date so that it matches the ANSI/NISO version and the DCMI Recommendation The votes on the ISTC are about 50% for confirm and 50% for revise - the general feeling among those that want it revised (Including ALA) is that is its currently defined the standard is of little value to the publishing industry and has not seen wide adoption If folks agree with that I can change our vote to Revise as well - we have until midnight (actual 11:59PM) to change any of these votes mark